[podcast] Uberization of finance? Ron Shevlin on the bank of the future

Ron Shevlin on the bank of the future
Ron Shevlin, Cornerstone Advisors
Ron Shevlin, Cornerstone Advisors

If you listen to NPR, you’ll sometimes hear a recording artist, someone like Lyle Lovett, referred to as “an artist’s artist”. Meaning, an artist that other people of the same craft can appreciate and love.

Our guest on this episode of the Tradestreaming Podcast is an analyst’s analyst. For the past 25 years, Ron Shevlin’s worked with the leading financial services, consumer products, retail, and manufacturing firms in the world. Ron’s the Director of Research at Cornerstone Advisors, a consulting firm to the banking and credit union industries, where he specializes in retail banking issues including sales and marketing technologies, customer and marketing analytics, social media, customer experience and consumer behavior. He was previously at Aite and Forrester covering the financial services space.

Most importantly for us, he’s the author of weekly articles he calls Snarketing published on the Financial Brand website that combine his keen eye for trends and opportunities for growth in the financial services space with his great sense of humor. It’s a must read for me and I hope it will become part of your reading list, too.

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In this episode, we:

  • explore whether financial services is truly becoming uberized
  • dive deeper into Ron’s vision for the future of financial services which he describes as the industry’s migration from product providers to a platform or ecosystem of financial services much like Amazon’s platform for ecommerce

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An ex-Uber marketing pro weighs in on the Uberization of money debate

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[dropcap size=big]W[/dropcap]hile the stock market opened 2016 with a loud plop, the hottest companies continue to be technology startups. Atop this pile sits Uber. Uber has become synonymous in tech circles for how easy buying things really can be and how enjoyable the experience can be, as well. If the taxi industry can be Uber-ized, the thinking goes, so can many large industries that have similarly been slow to change.

This conversation hit finance circles when the WSJ ran a story about how slow the finance industry has traditionally been in adopting best practices that have influenced the buying cycle in other industries. According to the article’s author, Zachary Karabell, head of global strategy at Envestnet, finance is indeed now undergoing its own Uber process. Not overnight or over weeks and months, but over the next few years, major parts of finance will undergo technology-driven disruption. And this change is being driven by fintech startups, like Wealthfront, EquityZen, Loyal3, and ZestFinance.

Whatever the risks, however, the Uberization of finance is no fad or stunt. Many of today’s startups may implode, as most do, but the spread and democratization of capital—and the proliferation and analysis of data—are irresistible trends. They will offer new opportunities to millions of people, entrepreneurs and investors alike. They also will unlock a vast amount of money, energy and talent, and to that we simply should say, bring it on.

Not everyone buys this line of thinking. Cornerstone Advisors’ Ron Shevlin explains that there isn’t really a parallel to the financial industry because this whole discussion is based on a misunderstanding of what Uber has really done. Uber pursued a consolidation strategy in a highly fragmented industry. The WSJ cites marketplace lending and crowdfunding as examples of uberization but rather than consolidate, these new forms of finance add to the fragmentation of the finance industry.

An Uber exec weighs in

Upstart, an online lender targeting millennial borrowers, is typically used as an example of the disruptive change that’s happening in finance. In order to lend to young adults, Upstart had to turn traditional lending models on their heads, as many of these FICO-like credit scores rely on historical data. As young people find their places in the gig economy, it’s not easy for them to get loans. Upstart’s forward-looking models are trying to change that. Young borrowers don’t have very much credit history, so Upstart uses other inputs to determine creditworthiness for its customers.

Mike Osborn joined the startup finance company recently as the company’s first CMO. Hailing from the marketing team at Uber, Mike joins a firm that’s generated $240M in originations in 18 months since it launched, averaging 25% month to month growth since inception (you can listen to Tradestreaming’s interview with Upstart founder and ex-Googler David Girouard below).

Osborn has a quick 3 point questionnaire when testing for Uberization:

  1. Is this an industry ripe for disruption?
  2. Who’s the disruptor?
  3. How will it be disrupted?

Finance fits this model, and to Osborn, much of the change is going to happen from the bottom up — with changes in consumer usage patterns brought about by top UI/UX in new finance apps and platforms. “When you think of what drives user experiences, in Upstart’s case, it’s about having better holistic models, better rates, different options — all with the view that we’re helping our users out of a jam,” Osborn explained.

In this vein, next generation finance tools should resonate with users and generate the same reactions as other apps residing on their smart phones. Why shouldn’t users have the same visceral responses to their banking apps that they do to their transportation apps?

“When your target audience are millennials, they live and breathe online and they do it in a community-driven way. Financial service providers need to find ways to get their users financially fit and package it into a shareable experience and celebrated event — the same way getting physically fit is. When someone loses a lot of weight and gets in shape, they take a before-and-after picture and post it socially. I can imagine the same thing happening before and after a difficult credit card situation.”

Growth hacking new accounts online and offline

Perhaps ironically, many of today’s online financial services startups rely on offline methods to acquire new customers. It’s especially acute when it comes to landing new borrowers, as two of the largest online consumer lenders, Lending Club and Prosper, each send tens of millions of offers via snail mail every month. Upstart’s Osborn embraces both online and offline acquisition marketing.

“When we think about where we’re going to find our next customers, we’re definitely looking at the offline opportunity. We’ve been positively surprised in volume and profitability with offline channels. When you get an email offer to refinance your debt, it’s pretty easy to ignore it. But when you get your credit card statement in the mail and a couple of days later, receive an offer to help pay it off, the offer has relevance and timeliness when it comes via direct mail.”

Same goes for social media marketing. Osborn claims that a Facebook response is either immediate or it disappears into the ether. That’s not to say Facebook isn’t fertile ground to message new prospects — it just needs to work quickly. Same goes for Google and search engine marketing. “The economics on Google work but we’ve been most positively surprised with direct mail,” Osborn reasoned.

If finance is being Uberized, where’s the pressure coming from?

It’s debatable whether the disruptive change everyone’s talking about is supply-side or demand-side driven. Osborn thinks it’s actually a confluence of factors that’s enabling the next generation of financial services, technologies, and apps racing to get a foothold with today’s customers.

  1. Consumer-led: The changes happening in the industry right now are implicitly lead by the consumer. People are demanding change. When every experience looks like an Uber experience, you get what you want and begin to expect more. You don’t want to have to go through all the hoops and paperwork associated with traditional financial services.
  2. Technology-driven: A lot of the change that’s happening in online lending is coming from changes in capabilities. Now, at Upstart, the firm has the power to make credit decisions using so many different signals — like what grades a prospective borrower got in college. These borrowers were previously shut out of the market if they were judged solely on historical credit models.

Osborn believes it takes a new type of company and leadership to be able to compete today — both require an understanding of big data and large systems. “When I first met with Dave and the rest of the leadership team, founded by Googlers, I saw they understood the power of taking in all that data and making wise and powerful decisions, like extending credit, with it. There’s a reason we have such good ratings on CreditKarma and high NPS scores with our customers.”

Whether financial services are actually being Uber-ized misses what’s really going on. Led by technology advances and driven by customer demand, startups and incumbent institutions are changing the way users interact with money.

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Citi’s Andres Wolberg-Stok: “The bank of the future understands how to become a whole-life partner for every one of its clients”

Andres Wolberg-Stok of Citi

Andres Wolberg-Stok is the Global Head, Emerging Platforms and Services at Citi.

What are some of the most transformative things you’re seeing to impact banking? What are some of the most overblown?

Andres Wolberg-Stok, Citi
Andres Wolberg-Stok, Citi

The most impactful thing happening today in banking -and in fact it’s happening not just in banking but across pretty much every consumer-facing industry- is the digitization and the user-experience revolution. Now that we all spend so much of our time on our smartphones, those apps we use all the time have reset the bar for what we expect of every interaction. We all demand that everything be as simple and intuitive as the best apps out there from digital companies. It sets a really high standard for everyone else to strive for, and in some cases it requires a reinvention of the entire underlying process. And all of that is a good thing, of course.

You were the first bank to have an app for the Apple Watch. Can you share your thinking about mobile/wearable banking?

At Citi, we are always looking for ways to put our clients in control of their finances and to help them bank however and whenever they want. We’ve been on a journey of innovation for decades, led by that principle, working to bring your accounts ever closer to you. We pioneered the ATM in the 1970s, so you wouldn’t even need to step inside a branch. We were one of the early leaders in online banking, in the early oughts, so you could bank from home or from your office. We were the first major U.S. bank to offer a downloadable mobile banking application, back in 2007, putting the bank in your pocket. Last year, we became the first major U.S. bank to offer no-login access to your accounts (we were issued a U.S. Patent for that this year). And as you point out, this year, we became the world’s first bank with an app for the Apple Watch. You can see the progression, right? Ever closer, ever more available and closer to you. Wearables are here to stay, and your money has a rightful place on them. I just don’t know what we’ll need to do in order to get closer to you next time — what’s next, banking implants?

Your own work experience is truly global. Is that a competitive advantage in your role?

Citi is the world’s leading global bank. We operate in some 160 countries or jurisdictions, with consumer operations in 24 markets at this point. Globality is in our DNA, and it helps us cross-pollinate the best ideas from our colleagues around the world. It also allows transfusions of talent, and of regional perspectives, around the globe, and it helps us serve well those of our clients who are global themselves. To be succefully global, you have to be global and you also have to be local everywhere you are. In fact, together with digitization and urbanization, globalization is one of the three major strategic themes that drive our work.

We read a lot about the competitive pressures on banks. What will a bank look like in the future? What will be its main role and value proposition to customers, the financial ecosystem, etc.?

The bank of the future recognizes that every man, woman and child carries a supercomputer in the shape of a smartphone. It knows people want to pick and choose their experiences, and that they probably do not want to depend for everything on a single supplier of financial services. The bank of the future is the one that understands how to become a whole-life partner for every one of its clients, how to earn a spot at the heart of their individual web or assembly of financial services, and how to be by their side every step of the way for their day-to-day needs as well as for the major moments in life. That bank of the future works with, not against, the fantastic ideas coming out of the Fintech ecosystem – it figures out how to become an integrator of Fintech value for its clients. That’s what, here at Citi, we call “Fintegration”: the integration of Fintech. Banks have the heavy compliance machinery, the track record, the know-how to keep your money safe. Fintech companies can come up with great new experiences, and they need the scale. Fintegration is a win-win all around, starting with the client.

 

Banks being disrupted…by search engines?

banks being disrupted by search engine

Traditional banks are finding out new competition lurks everywhere.

Pureplay startups like marketplace lenders, Lending Club and Prosper are originating billions of dollars of loans every quarter. Though volumes are small compared to total SMB outstanding loans (which in 2013 stood at $585 billion), some banks are turning to the marketplace lenders to buy loans, opting to partner instead of compete.

This move towards alternative lending, core to banking services, isn’t just a US phenomenon. Funding Circle, another leader among the current class of startup online lenders, has global aspirations.

Funding Circle’s co-founder, Sam Hodges recently explained to  Tradestreaming:

Our vision for Funding Circle is as a global lending exchange, where business from all over the world come to find finance from an army of investors, big and small. Small businesses are underserved in most of parts of the world, and we believe our marketplace model can help millions of businesses and investors to get a better deal. At the moment, we are focusing all of our energy on building a successful business here in the UK, USA and Europe.

There are high hopes for marketplace lending. Some investors, like Foundation Capital’s Charles Moldow, are betting on the market, between cannibalization and traditional banks moving into marketplace lending themselves, can grow to be a trillion dollars.

From banks to ecommerce platform

It’s not just marketplace lenders taking aim at banks. Traditional ecommerce players want in, too. Amazon is offering loans to handpicked sellers on goods on its ecommerce platform.

Like marketplace lending, ecommerce firms entering financial services isnt’ just happening in the US: PayPal’s Working Capital loans for small businesses has lent more than $1 billion to over 60,000 small businesses in the U.S., U.K. and Australia. Alibaba, the giant Chinese ecommerce platform, launched a money market fund for sellers to store their working capital. Within just 10 months, the fund, called Yu’e Bao had more than $90 billion in short term capital. That’s money that used to be kept in banks.

Search engines becoming lenders

On the heels of Alibaba’s success in money markets, Chinese search engine Baidu appears ready to launch its own banking solution. Looking to avoid some of the regulatory commotion around Alibaba’s own financial service offering, Baidu intends to partner with Citic, the 7th largest Chinese bank with 600 physical locations.

While Google got out of the direct lending business to its advertisers, it is now running a pilot with Lending Club. The marketplace lender is offering advertisers on Google a loan to fund their AdWords campaigns.

The nature of banking is changing and therefore, the players leading the charge are rearranging themselves. [x_pullquote cite=”TechCrunch” type=”right”]This year, over $11 billion has been invested in financial technology services companies. That’s up over $5 billion from the previous year, and the highest amount invested into financial services technology companies in the past five years[/x_pullquote]Pureplay lenders are filling an important role and ecommerce platforms have found a way to offer financing to some of their best customers. As this plays out, there are more companies popping up to help banks compete. Firms like LendKey provide banks with the tools, technology, and process optimization employed by nimble tech startups. More companies keep launching to help make the banking sector more competitive to the demands placed on them by consumers who are demanding the same speed, transparency, and service commonplace in other industries disrupted by technology.

This opportunity hasn’t been lost on investors, who are pouring money into alternative financing businesses. Lending Club and OnDeck both had well-received IPOs that gave the companies billion dollar marketcaps.

In 2015, there’s been hundreds of millions of dollars invested into alternative lenders. Just this week, alt lender Earnest announced a round of $275 million (equity and debt).

 

Regulation and branding will assure that banks aren’t going away but it’s getting more complicated to compete in core banking services. Direct competitors are emerging to challenge banks head on while others, like ecommerce players, are indirectly competing indirectly with them. Through general growth, partnerships, and some disruption, the banking industry is quickly evolving.

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5 trends we’re watching this week

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Every week at Tradestreaming, we’re tracking and analyzing the top trends impacting the finance industry. The following is a list of important things going on we think are worth paying attention to. For more in depth trendfollowing, subscribe to Tradestreaming’s weekly newsletter (published every Sunday).

1. Computers vs. Humans: Who wins the investment game? (Tradestreaming)
Do humans have an innate ability to pick winning stocks or should we turn everything over to the machines. A frank conversation with 2 experts moderated by Tradestreaming’s managing editor, Zack Miller and hosted on Dealbreaker.

2. A Future Where Virtual Reality and Finance Converge (Finance Magnates)
In this week’s Fintech Spotlight, Finance Magnates delves into how virtual reality could become a big data tool of the future in the finance industry.

3. The Next Fintech Boom: Resource Maximization (Bank Innovation)
Former Thomson Reuters CEO, Tom Glocer predicts fintech startups to begin squeezing more out of the financial system. “Think of all the underutilized financial resources out there — credit lines, savings, advisory, illiquid assets. All are ripe for maximization.”

4. Why Every Financial Institution Needs a Digital Champion Now (The Financial Brand)
Is anyone spearheading your organization’s digital strategy? Here’s what banks and credit unions should look for when creating this new role.

5. Robo-Advisors Squeeze Advisor Profits, Not Fees (Michael Kitces)
Michael Kitces with a thoughtful analysis of the robo-advisor trend and how it’s impacting the AUM fees investors pay (it’s not what you think it is). While fees don’t seem to be dropping, profit margins are indeed getting squeezed. Worth a read.

Who are the best investors in fintech startups?

Been talking a lot to entrepreneurs in the space. I get a chance to hear their perspectives on their financial backers, investors with an eye to the future of financial services.

Here’s the beginning of a list of some of the best VCs in fintech. Who do you think belongs on there?

Bringing investment services online – with Personal Capital’s Rob Foregger

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Delivering investment advisory services solely through the online channel is a game changer.  But getting it right has eluded even the biggest of investment managers.

Fresh after a big funding round, Rob Foregger’s Personal Capital aims to be a dominant player in online finance. Rob’s got over 20 years experience in direct-to-consumer finance that he’s bringing to the table with the rest of Personal Capital’s A-team management.

Join Rob and me as we discuss the genesis of Personal Capital, how the online advisor intends to scale, and the future of online investing.

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Get your first job on Wall Street – with Scott Hoover

Scott Hoover has prepared thousands of undergraduates for their first jobs on Wall Street.written by Scott Hoover

Associate Professor at Washington and Lee College, Scott is the author of a new book, How to Get a Job on Wall Street: Proven Ways to Find a High-Paying, High-Power Job.

In this episode of Tradestreaming Radio, we discuss:

  • what financial firms are looking from job applicants
  • how to slay your interviews
  • why job seekers need to say on top of current economic events
  • why Washington and Lee has been so successful placing graduates in Wall Street and how you can mimic the college’s success
  • more reading to stay on top of your job search game

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When Good Trades Go Bad: Deadly Portfolio — with John Hohn

The fine line between doing what’s right for a client and what’s good for you is walked daily by financial advisors.

Most of the time things go off without a hitch.But sometimes, the results of poor decision making are disastrous.

John Hohn joins us on Tradestreaming Radio to talk about his new book, Deadly Portfolio: A Killing in Hedge Funds. John had a 40 year career in financial services, all the while exploring his avocation, writing.

Deadly Portfolio is his first book and it explores the insides of the financial industry, how decisions are made, how brokers make a living, and how wealthy clients behave.It’s also full of murder and intrigue…
We talk to John about the book and his experiences in managing 300 brokerage clients influenced his writings. Continue reading “When Good Trades Go Bad: Deadly Portfolio — with John Hohn”